Your REAL Life – make it count


Your REAL Life – make it count. In today’s conversation Judith Germain speaks to Nathan Andres discuss his book “Your Real Life, get Authentic, be Resilient & Make it Count” and his work on thriving, well-being, and resilience in the workplace.

Nathan shares his background, explaining that he has extensive experience in the corporate world, working for large brands and helping them with business and culture growth. He now does HR consulting, focusing on coaching individuals and teams to help them move from “survive to thrive”.

Key Takeaways

  • Andres’ book focuses on the “REAL” model for building authenticity and resilience: Reality, Energy management, Authenticity, Love
  • Managing energy, not time, is key to well-being and resilience
  • Workplaces need to prioritise mental health support as it impacts productivity and competitiveness
  • Being authentic, not “faking it”, allows you to truly thrive


Reality Curve Model

  • Visualises process of facing and moving through adversity
  • Resilient people move quickly from acknowledging to accepting reality
  • Then look for opportunities, make an action plan to take control
  • Businesses that pivoted fast during COVID found opportunities

Energy Management

  • Manage 4 “well-being batteries”: physical, emotional, mental, spiritual
  • Audit activities that drain/charge these batteries
  • Reinvest energy into what matters to avoid burnout
  • Maslow’s hierarchy can inform how energy stacks


  • Can’t just “fake it till you make it” – your body knows the truth
  • Need to understand inner critic, imposter syndrome
  • Release self-sabotaging behaviors to live authentically

In this conversation Judith and Nathan discuss how capitalism can work against creating a well-being culture in the workplace. They acknowledge the need to rethink the old mentalities and patriarchal systems that have driven a focus on productivity over employee welfare.

Judith raises concerns about the limited understanding and support for employees with long-term or chronic mental health issues, compared to more temporary or common mental health challenges. They explore the statistics around the impact of mental health on productivity and the growing expectations for companies to provide robust mental health resources.

Nathan Andres hails from Washington DC after living in Asia for more than half of his career. He is a celebrated, award winning author, coach and senior HR executive with expertise in resilience and purpose driven leadership.

Maverick leadership is all about thinking outside the box and challenging the status quo. It’s about having the courage to take risks and the confidence to lead in a way that is authentic and genuine.

But amplifying your influence as a leader isn’t just about having a strong vision or a big personality. It’s also about having the right leadership capability and being able to execute on your ideas and plans.

The consequences of not having the right level of influence as a leader can be significant. Without the ability to inspire and motivate others, you may struggle to achieve your goals and make a real impact.

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Nathan Andres can be found on LinkedIn here. His website can be found here.

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